The situation of the country, especially as it concerns the current
revelations of high-handed corrupt practices is a concern to the
Majority Leader of the Lagos State House of Assembly, Sanai Agunbiade.
He stresses that much in this interview. EROMOSELE EBHOMELE was there
Q:
What is your opinion about the arms fund deal involving former National
Security Adviser, Col. Sambo Dasuki (rtd.) and others. What lessons do
you think we have learnt from this?
I want to thank and
appreciate God for intervening in the affairs of this country. It was
God’s intervention that agitated the mind of our National Leader,
Asiwaju Bola Ahmed Tinubu, who became revolutionary about our political
process and had the confidence that the progressives could wrestle power
from the conservative elements. He propounded the theory of
amalgamation of all progressive elements, telling them it was possible
for the progressives to come together and wrestle power. It was God’s
intervention that touched the minds of those that came together and
which allowed the convention of the All Progressives Congress (APC) to
choose now President Muhammadu Buhari as their presidential candidate
without the magnitude of the disagreement and rancour that was expected.
The formation of the APC was God’s intervention, where different set of
people buried their ego and resolved to work together. It was God’s
intervention that sustained the APC despite all the efforts of the then
Peoples Democratic Party-led government to scuttle the formation of the
party. You remember another APC came up. And the election itself was
God’s intervention and President Buhari won. It is God’s intervention in
the political affairs of the country that PMB won; if not, by now
Nigeria would be down in the mud. If you look at the impunity with which
things had been done culminating in the deafening figures, billions of
naira for very trivial things, biliions of naira for ridiculous things,
dollars for criminal activities to fund aggression and revolt against
the state, you will marvel. Some of the revelations shows that somebody
was giving hard currencies to the insurgents. You can imagine a
situation, where billions of naira was allocated for prayers, for
advertisements, publicity, where the treasury was made available for a
candidate of a party. You can hear a very provoking revelation. Imagine
if government had returned into the hand of these people, the series of
revelations now would have been buried forever and another round of
economic sabotage would have commenced pushing Nigeria into a grave.
That is why it beats my imagination, when some people still accuse
President Buhari of non-performance. How can anybody perform with the
kind of doldrum, which the Nigerian economy has been pushed into? You
want the man to hit the ground running when the ground is not solid, but
murky? So, the present revelation, prosecution, accusations and counter
accusations are only telling Nigerians that they should be appreciative
of God, who has changed the cause of events to allow people, who would
expose the crime that have been committed against Nigerians in the last
four years.
I want to praise the dexterity, the commitment, the
doggedness of Asiwaju Bola Ahmed Tinubu and that of the national
officers of the APC and all individual members that participated in the
revolution that ousted, through the ballot, the regime of Dr. Goodluck
Ebele Jonathan. I am sure in the corners of his room, Jonathan would now
have realised that he was surrounded by people, who never wished him
well, by people who were political scavengers feeding fat on his
political disposition. That is to tell you that he who must lead should
be a firm person, who has track record of managing men and resources. It
is not enough for an academia to jump on the train of politics and
aspiring to steer the wheel. Those who would surround him would want to
drive the train aground. My own subsmission is that God is passing
through Nigeria and at the end of the day, appreciative minds would see
God’s grace in this.
Q: The PDP has said that in fighting
corruption President Buhari must also probe the source of funding for
his election campaign. What do you think about this?
A
drowning man would look for the slightest object to hook up to. One
thing at a time and that done well is a very good route to others. You
cannot be a judge in your own case. They are two different things, there
are some monies belonging to the Federal Government of Nigeria alleged
to have been misappropriated by persons who possibly should not have
been involved in the ways and manners the monies were spent. That is
being carried out by the present government; let that process continue
to a logical end. If the PDP have their proofs, let this be resolved and
they can tell him: “Mr. President, you have successfully fought and
won, this is a battle you should also fight, we have our fight.” Why is
it that it is when the government started probing people, not on the
basis of political affiliation, but base on certain fact emanating from
certain revelations or people who are aware of such transactions that
they are bringing this up or do they think that Buhari just dreamt about
this? People started to talk, people that were disenchanted about the
way things were being done, but could not talk. Any individual in
whatever capacity that is opposed to what President Buhari is doing now
should be seen as an enemy of Nigeria. When the monies are recovered,
would it not be for the use of Nigeria and the common man?. Is it enough
to say: “okay, we agree that we stole, didn’t you steal?” They should
cover their eyes in shame and apologise to Nigerians that majority of
the people being alleged now are members of their party, and they were
in the corridors of power then.
Q: How can we avoid this kind of thing both at the federal and the state levels?
The only way is to carry this prosecution to conclusion. Whoever is found guilty should be dealt with according to the law.
Q:
Recently, state governors said they could not continue with payment of
N18,000 minimum wage and that it is either they reduce the amount or
retrench workers. What is your take on this?
My opinion is
that a very delicate situation requires a very a careful approach. We
are all witnesses that the present situation is due to the way our
economy had been managed. You could imagine if all these billions of
naira are to remain within the economy, I am sure the economy would not
be as bad as it is. So, in fixing Nigeria, we have to be careful not to
create another problem. We are still talking about the creation of
states. To create a state, we have to look at the viability of that
state. We should look at the economic potentials of that state. We have
created these ones, we have to sustain them. The Federal Government came
out with bail-out funds for the state; one way or the other it has
solved some problems. We need to look at our situations and come out
with workable solutions. To retrench might not be a palatable option in
the face of economic hardship in the country. To retrench is to throw
more capable hands into hopelessness and to heighten the apprehension in
the society and to increase the likelihood of the dangers that
unemployment constitutes to the society. As much as it is difficult for
the states or some states to pay the minimum wage, I am sure that for
every problem, there is a solution and every problem comes with a
solution. If you look deep into every problem, you would find a
solution. I want to sympathise with the states that are not too viable
to pay wages, but I would not subscribe to retrenchment because of the
dangers it portends. So, in-between ability to pay and the danger of
retrenchment, they should find a solution. It is sure that God that has
been with Nigeria would open our eyes to a way out. But we need to look
deeper to be able to come up with a strategy that would bring us out of
the dangers of retrenchment and the ability to pay minimum wage.
Q: How do we get out of the economic doldrum you mentioned earlier, in the face of dwindling price of crude oil?
We
will not be the only country that is affected, other countries are
coping. When a problem befalls you, we should be able to cope and
adjust, but when a problem befalls you and you are now generating
another problem from within, then it would be catastrophic. If we can
curtail the level of corruption within the system, I am sure we will be
able to adjust to any economic hardship that is starring us in the face.
Whatever happens, whatever global recession that happens, it would not
affect only Nigeria. We should be able to mitigate any problem that
might affect our development. Why are we not having electricity,
constant electricity? Is it not from the mismanagment of our affairs?
Due to lack of electricity, many companies have folded up and thrown
people into the labour market. The young elements that are graduating
from the universities can’t get work. Of course, the first law of nature
is self survival. They would now look for any means which could be
crime or any other negative way to survive. But, let us just fix
electricity and have 24-hour light, you would see our economy bouncing
back. That means our refineries would work, all these things about crude
oil and refined oil would be eliminated. That means our industries and
companies would produce at optimum capacity, and more people could be
employed and the country would be safer to attract investors and Nigeria
would be more creative because the beauty of Nigeria would show at
night. Some people would work in the morning, others in the afternoon
and at night. The society would be safer, more beautiful, more jobs and
less crimes and our economy would be safer. Let us remove corruption and
see our beautiful Nigeria is.
Q: What should your constituents expect in 2016?
The
year 2016 will be a year of prosperity for Nigeria, Lagos State and
Ikorodu Constituency 1. In 2016, I want to redouble my efforts in
justifying the mandate of my people for the third term. It is a special
privilege and I want to justify the trust they reposed in me to give me
this mandate. I will continue to represent them with all commitments,
dedication and good hearts. In 2016, I want them to expect more grace of
God because there is nothing anybody can do unless it is from above and
because God sees my heart, my intentions, I know He would strengthen
me, embolden me and give me more grace to be able to represent them. I
have not disappointed them, I would not disappoint them, I want to do
more to attract more government presence to my constituency. On my own
part, I want to continue to render humanitarian services and give back
to my community for the mandate they have given me. I would do more of
empowerment for my people, I would represent them and see how more
people in my constituency would be empowered with employment, skill
acquisition, how much I can collaborate with my people to restore peace
and stability in my constituency. I want to assure them that by 2016,
the incessant crisis of land grabbers (ajagungbales) that proliferate
our society would be seriously addressed by the state government and
brought to the barest minimum. By December 2016, I am sure a lot of
people in my constituency would do thanksgiving to God for improved
standard of living economic condition in the name of God.
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